09 June 2008

Obama & Associates

Yeah, yeah... "Words have meaning".
That one has already come back to bite him, but of course he was "tired". (He'll be even more tired later, and it should be fun to watch.)

And "Birds of a feather flock together".
That one is beginning to nibble now too. If you can hold your nose long enough to be educated in spite of the stink, go now to Marathon Pundit, where Obama neighbor John has a permanent clip attached to his nose and is keeping a close watch on the Messiah.
Thanks John. I'm glad someone is doin' it!

13 comments:

Rodolfo said...

It's good there are people doing their best to dig up dirt on Barry. Unfortunately I don't think they'll find much. You have a new electorate that's seen how this game's played. Barring an actual criminal conviction or the Repubs offering real change this election is for the Dems to lose. And should they lose this year then they ought to just quit running every four years.

Greybeard said...

Your team will lose, Rodolfo, because for some reason you either can't or don't want to answer the simplest of questions about your political complaints... (see avoidance in comments to post below.)
The "New Electorate" you speak of is looking for change, and will soon see this for what it is...
Same old slime, different day.

Obama's experience, judgment, and associations...
all are terribly lacking.
The Emperor has no clothes.

Rodolfo said...

FYI. Barry's experience:

-Nonproliferation: Here Obama has teamed up with Richard Lugar (R-IN). Here's the Washington Monthly:
"By most accounts, Obama and Lugar's working relationship began with nukes. On the campaign trail in 2004, Obama spoke passionately about the dangers of loose nukes and the legacy of the Nunn-Lugar nonproliferation program, a framework created by a 1991 law to provide the former Soviet republics assistance in securing and deactivating nuclear weapons. Lugar took note, as “nonproliferation” is about as common a campaign sound-bite for aspiring senators as “exchange-rate policy” or “export-import bank oversight.”"
Dealing with unsecured stocks of shoulder-fired missiles and other kinds of conventional weapons, stocks that might fall into anyone's hands, be sold on the black market, and end up being used against our troops or our citizens, or fueling civil wars that tear countries apart -- it seems to me that this is an excellent thing to spend one's time on.

-Avian flu: Obama was one of the first Senators to speak out on avian flu, back in the spring of 2005, when it was a quintessentially wonky issue, not the subject of breathless news reports. There's a list of Democratic efforts on avian flu here; Obama shows up early and often. He has sponsored legislation, including what I think is the first bill dedicated to pandemic flu preparedness. It's a good bill, providing not just for vaccine research and antiviral stockpiles, but for the kinds of state and local planning and preparedness that will be crucial if a pandemic occurs. (I was also very interested to note that it requires the Secretary of HHS to contract with the Institute of Medicine for a study of "the legal, ethical, and social implications of, with respect to pandemic influenza". This is actually very important, and not everyone would have thought of it.)

-Regulating Genetic Testing

-Reducing medical malpractice suits the right way

-legislation to make it illegal for tax preparers to sell personal information

-legislation on chemical plant security and lead paint

-"health care for hybrids"

-Energy Security Bill

-Various bills on relief for Hurricane Katrina, including aid for kids and a ban on no-bid contracts by FEMA

-A public database of all federal spending and contracts

-Trying to raise CAFE standards

-Veterans' health care

-Making certain kinds of voter intimidation illegal

-A lobbying reform bill (with Tom Coburn), which would do all sorts of good things, notably including one of my perennial favorites, requiring that bills be made available to members of Congress at least 72 hours before they have to vote on them.

-And a proposal to revamp ethics oversight, replacing the present ethics Committee with a bipartisan commission of retired judges and members of Congress, and allowing any citizen to report ethics violations. This would have fixed one of the huge problems with the present system, namely: that the members have to police themselves.

I don't have time to provide links but it's within a few keystrokes if you care to look for them. As you can see the guy offers practical solutions to some of the most pressing problems of our time. Show me evidence that supports you and Cary's claim that he's a radical. And no Ayers and his former pastors won't work. You can trace all the Repubs from chicago with ties to these same people so the fact that Barry does the same doesn't prove squat.

I stand by my words. But i'm not afraid to admit when I make a mistake or mis-speak. I do my best to write out my thoughts and all its complexities but I REFUSE to speak in soundbites to dumb down the dialogue.

Rodolfo said...

Guess what buddy. My team has produced the best campaign this country has seen in a long time and has the global community excited. We need friends and allies in our fight against extremism. What's so wrong with that?

Greybeard said...

LoL, R!
Yes, the world is excited.
Hamas is excited.
Mahmoud IneedJihad is excited.
Haven't both endorsed your candidate?
(Oh that's right... Hamas rescinded their endorsement when Barry pandered to the Joooooz, didn't they?!)
I think Jimmy Carter is excited too.
Good for him. It's good for Jimmuh to have something to do other than subvert the country.

Rodolfo said...

So the new Jimmy Carter meme is out in full force. When Barry tells the country that Sen. McCain is running a third Bush term he provides examples of why. I fail to see any explanation why an Obama candidacy is Carter II.

Greybeard said...

I know it's time wasted on you, R, but maybe it won't be wasted on others.
Click here.
Once, when I was referring to the failure Jimmy Carter had been as President, someone your age informed me he had established the Federal Reserve Bank!
To say the least, that surprised me!

Rodolfo said...

From what I understand President Carter's bungling of the hostages was his biggest mistake. But whatever choices he made in that scenario could have gone either way. The article you provided shows no real policy comparisons and focuses more on their shared Christianity and theme of change. And I don't know what the deal is with the Federal Reserve so I won't comment. Ron Paul is someone who has serious issues with the FedRes so that person may have gotten some of his ideas from him.

Look it'll be a risk to vote for either Obama or McCain. Their strengths are also their weaknesses depending on who you talk to. Barry seems to think through situations without making erratic moves. Plus he and his ilk seem to know how to manage money. We need that in the White House.

It's all gonna boil down to the *radical* associates for you and many others. Wright in my view does not incite violence in his sermons but merely offers political commentary from the pulpit. I don't have a problem with mixing church and state as long as the *values* touted by social conservatives translate into a universal message and not simply a way to progress specific faith based agendas.

Ayers I don't know too much about. It seems to me that his *unrepentant* position is what bothers most folks which is understandable. But okay is there a law against being unrepentant? No and there shouldn't be one either. The guy is an average citizen who did some shady things in the past. The question is what is he doing *NOW* that's shady and what has Barry proposed to support those shady ideas.

Barry's strength is also his weakness. His ability to listen to differing point of views (radical or not) may be perceived as a weakness but for me as long as he is only using this *listening* exercise as a way to formulate his own judgment then i'm okay with that. When making decisions we must examine *ALL* the evidence and him listening to the concerns of both the right and left gives him an advantage.

His primary job is to keep us safe. He has expressed his position on this very clearly and has stated that he won't hesitate to strike those that want to strike us.

Character assassinations is the name of the game. I don't understand why some people wear their political or religious stripe on their sleeves. In my view it's counterproductive because it automatically prevents you from understanding the point of view of others. And worse if someone doesn't share their stripe they get branded un-American or immoral.

the golden horse said...

So I have to ask R.
You feel comfortable voting for a man that made the statement. "I am going to campaign in all 57 states" Which just happens to be the exact amount of Islamic states?
He writes in his book. Adacity of Hope.
"I will stand with Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
No surprise there.
When aren't political winds ugly?
R....you are one scary dude. Sorry.

You yourself said it will be a risk to vote for either one. Well, when hasn't an election been a risk?

I said it once and I will say it again. I think the President of the United States, be it man or woman, should have spent time serving their country in a active military capacity.

Greybeard said...

Uh-Oh!
Trouble in the "big tent"!

Rodolfo said...

Golden horse asked (or pointed out): You feel comfortable voting for a man that made the statement. "I am going to campaign in all 57 states" Which just happens to be the exact amount of Islamic states?

What? Are you implying Barry’s a Muslim mole again? *sigh* That’ll never go away will it? Sorry but Barry’s a Christian. Not a dogmatic Christian but one whose faith-based support I can actually live with.

Golden horse wrote: He writes in his book. Adacity of Hope.
"I will stand with Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
No surprise there.
When aren't political winds ugly?

Obviously for some people when their perfect candidate is on the ballot.

Golden horse wrote: You yourself said it will be a risk to vote for either one. Well, when hasn't an election been a risk?

Exactly my point. So why are some conservatives so fearful of a skinny multiracial moderate Democrat from Illinois? Every vote is a risk one way or another. I just don’t believe when some pundits force down our throats that Barry’s a Marxist. Or is he the Carter 2? Nope definitely not Carter 2 because President Bush is already the Republican version of President Carter.

Golden horse wrote: I said it once and I will say it again. I think the President of the United States, be it man or woman, should have spent time serving their country in a active military capacity.

Say it all you want but our Constitution allows for it. Besides some of our greatest war time Presidents didn’t serve in a uniform so what’s your point? John McCain is a genuine hero but his policies don’t add up.

Greybeard said...

You've shown you are not that blockheaded, R. I'm not gonna play this game anymore. And so far as the offensive term is concerned... no sweat. I promise to help you not use it here again. I do find it offensive.

texasnana said...

If that is really the title of his book "Adacity of Hope" the man can't spell either. It is audacity.