07 September 2008

Dear Mr. Obama,

Two minutes.
Watch it all:


Flightfire said...

Can we cut through the patriotic bulls*** for a second and talk about how invading Iraq had anything to do with our freedom.

Was Iraq impinging on our freedom....Nope!

Was Iraq about to take away any of our freedoms....Nope!

Did invading Iraq make us more free.....hell no!

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom, their freedom, terrorism, spreading democracy, or any of the other bulls*** spouted by you guys.

It was about one thing...WMD's and we f#*%^&% it up badly.

Greybeard said...

Thanks for your opinion, FF.

A. K. Marx-Dudek said...

I think it is safe to say that Iraqis are not better off than they were before the occupation.

If they were, we would be seeing shiny, happy Iraqi life on our television sets on a daily basis.

Greybeard said...

Ya know, A.K. marx-dudek, your wise words made me go back and look at this video with a more skeptical eye, and you're right...
It's obvious this amputee is lying.
(He even had to read the lies from a script!)
There was probably a CIA agent standing just off camera with a rifle to insure he said things JUST THE RIGHT WAY.
All that crap about Iraqi's having a real chance at freedom...
What sort of fool does McCain take us all for?

Now my friend, what about you?
How are they treating you there at the home?

Autorotate said...

Have any of these people been to Iraq?

Go there and see how much better their life is. Don't rely on the Huffabong Post for your eyeballs to the world.

Saddam was so great to them. He only killed millions of his only people with gas, cut off opponents heads and threatened the west repeatedly.

A. K. Marx-Dudek said...

Greybeard: When you're done reacting and wish to have a thoughtful, rational, mutually-respectful discussion, please let me know. When that time comes, I would like to ask you about all of the veterans who have come back from Iraq and express what a complete and utter disaster this invasion and occupation has been - who is holding a gun to their heads? More importantly, who has more to lose by speaking the truth?

We certainly learned that serving your country in the military does not automatically make you a beacon of truth - one need only look at the "Swift Boat Veterans for 'Truth'" to bear this out.

Saddam gassed his own people using materials and aircraft that were supplied to him by us, and we did nothing about it when it happened. Saddam was "our man" in the Middle East - or have you forgotten the photo of Donald Rumsfeld shaking his hand, back in the day when he was a bastard, but he was our bastard? And what makes Muammar Qadafi trustworthy enough to warrant a visit from Condoleeza Rice? Once a terrorist, always a terrorist. Why are we negotiating with him? Why aren't we invading Libya and hanging him from the highest tree as well?

America has selective morality, and selective memory.

Anonymous said...

Trying to sustain two foreign occupations while tackling domestic issues doesn't sound like a recipe for success. Any rocket scientist or hockey mom ought to see that. Besides this election is not about Saddam or how bad he was. This election is about our country and we can compete in the global economy.

Greybeard said...

So, they're treating you well, A.K.?
Stayin' on top of your meds?
The food still okay?

Holland, huh?
I'll bet it's a beautiful place, and a technological marvel.
I'd love to visit one day. You'll have to clue me in on the places I need to avoid... I hear some streets are kinda "different".

Your comment about the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" intrigues me...
Please, tell me what they said that you disagree with.

Greybeard said...

For A.K., from a comment by Howie Carr at Cold Fury:

You must understand printing lies about Republican candidates is OK. It’s called "vetting." Printing the truth about liberals - that’s called “swift-boating.”

A. K. Marx-Dudek said...

Your condescension is unflattering, Greybeard.

Yes, some streets are "kinda different", but there is barely one that you would be unsafe walking along at any time of the day or night.

As for the meds, sorry, I stopped taking them a long time ago. I realized they weren't there to make me better, but to keep me in a cloud - passive, compliant, and easily suggestible. Also, prone to react instead thinking - lashing out instead of contemplating - and being part of the problem rather than a part of the solution.

Unfortunately, it seems they've introduced it to the water system or something in the States and only half of the nation has managed to abstain or find an alternate source of hydration. The rest are what I believe you call "Hannitized".

A. K. Marx-Dudek said...

If you choose to comport your blog like a conservative talk radio host - belittling those who disagree with you, rather then having a reasoned, rational discussion - then please find someone who is less light and more heat such as yourself to "debate".

Greybeard said...

Nice parry, Mr. Intellect.
Now, just answer my simple question, please.

Greybeard said...

Oh, and A.K...
Before you comment, you might want to go to this gal's blog and learn a little something before you come back here and bluster.


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Call sign: Max Coyne.


nec Timide said...

I was having the same discussion at work, ie is Iraq better off after the invasion. The person holding up the other side pointed out that violence, terrorist attack and insurgence weren't problems before the invasion. I agreed with him (which was a surprise to him) but told him I believe that this is an indication of how much the situation was improved by the invasion.

The people committing these acts, largely were there before the invasion, and are not now, nor were then only attaching the invasion force. So why no hyper violence when Saddam was in charge? Simple, he so brutally oppressed his citizens that they would not dare act up under his rule, or if they did we never heard about it. QED Iraq has more freedom, which unfortunately includes the freedom to be a total dick and blow up your neighbor because s/he believes something different than you do.

I recall something similar happening when the Communist dictatorship collapsed in Yugoslavia. I believe it is inevitable when ever an oppressive dictatorship is replace by personal freedom.

cj said...

Now that is a powerful video.

And your battle with ak marx was rather amusing.

I'm assuming that since he/she is from Holland, he/she doesn't get how the liberal media works in this country. I mean, before the surge started to work, all we heard about was how awful things were going. Now that we're on the verge of winning, the media is strangely silent of all things Iraqi.

Do we have any idea who the young man in the video is? Oh, and I'll be 'borrowing' it again...