For many reasons, I'm a "Birther" and proud to be called one.
Here's just one of 'em-
THIS is a Birth Certificate issued by one of the hospitals Bozama has claimed to have been born in, issued the day AFTER he supposedly was born there:
Now let's take another look at our President(?)'s "Birth Certificate":
A week ago I was listening to Andrea's "Blogtalk Radio" show and her guest was a self-described "ballsy" gal named Ann Barnhardt. I was impressed.
Researching Ann's blog I found a post with interesting comments concerning the "why's" for Obama's reticence to produce the genuine article, and wanted to link to her comments here. But there's no way to do that. When I wrote and asked her for permission to copy/paste her comments she told me her comments are "public domain"... copy freely. Here's Ann's reasoning why Obama is dragging his feet:
"...there are several things we can logically conclude:
1. The word "muslim" does not appear on Obama's BC assuming he was in fact born in Honolulu in August of 1961, because these certificates make no mention of religion at all. So that can't be the big secret.
2. Obama himself cannot be listed as either "caucasian" or "arab" because there is no field on the certificate for the race of the child. So that can't be the big secret, either, assuming Obama even has a Hawaii BC.
3. I doubt that the father's field would say either "Frank Marshall Davis" or "Unknown" because the baby was named "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.". If you're going to go to the lengths of naming a baby "Jr.", then there is no reason not to list "Sr." as the daddy - even if that is a lie. If you name the kid "Jr.", you're in for a penny, in for a pound. Again, this assumes Barry actually has a Hawaii BC.
So where does this leave us?
A. There is no Hawaii birth certificate because he wasn't born in Hawaii. Ann Dunham was present and enrolled at the University of Washington TWO WEEKS after Obama's alleged birth date. He could have been born just across the border in Canada, and then Granny Dunham registered his birth with the state of Hawaii, thus automatically generating the newspaper announcement. This would have been done to fraudulently obtain citizenship for Barry.
B. He could have been born months earlier. Given that Ann picked up, flew across the Pacific, enrolled and began attending classes at UW all before August 20, 1961, it seems a bit much to think that she did all this at the age of 18 with a tiny newborn baby.
C. Obama could have indeed been born in Kenya, and Granny Dunham submitted a false certificate of home birth to get him US citizenship, again, thus automatically generating the newspaper birth announcement.
D. When Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia, his original BC was altered to reflect the new name "Barry Soetoro" with Lolo listed as the father. If this is the case, Obama MUST be a dual citizen of Indonesia, because Indonesia required citizenship of adopted children. Also, unless Obama legally had his named changed back to "Barack Obama", his name today legally remains "Barry Soetoro". This would nullify every document he has signed. If you don't believe me, try signing this year's tax return with the name "Peaches McAwesome" and see if you don't get a visit from the IRS. Finally, and I think this is the monster issue, unless Barry formally rescinded his Indonesian citizenship upon reaching the age of majority, he is AT BEST a dual citizen of the US and Indonesia. If he presented himself as an Indonesian citizen after the age of 18 either to acquire college scholarships OR traveling under an Indonesian passport after the age of 18, then there is no way in God's Green Earth that he can be the President of the United States. No person who has EVER, under any circumstance, claimed citizenship to any country other than the United States as an adult be eligible for the Presidency. That's just common sense. The LEGAL standard per the Constitution is far, far more stringent than that. I realize that. I'm just talking about common sense. This is a no-brainer. Obama is a completely illegal usurper, a con artist, a liar, and he MUST be removed, not by impeachment, but by law enforcement. Impeachment only applies to legitimate sitting Presidents. Obama is neither legitimate, nor the President. He is a hostile invader and the enemy of this nation, its people and its Constitution. Barack and Michelle Obama SHOULD spend the rest of their lives being supported and secured by the tax dollars of the people of the United States of America . . . in lovely Florence, Colorado."
By the way, I'm adding Ann's site to my Blogroll and suggest you go there to see the video as she removes her "bacon bookmarks" from her copy of the Koran before she burns the pages that offend her.
Good stuff.
24 comments:
This just gets more and more interesting, and I wonder if we will EVER know the truth...
Re: "There is no Hawaii birth certificate because he wasn't born in Hawaii. "
Are you saying that THREE Republican officials in Hawaii are lying about Obama's place of birth?
And what about the notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961?
These were not ads that could have been placed by relatives (Hawaii newspapers did not accept birth ads in those days). They only took their notices from the Hawaii government, which only sent the notices out for births IN Hawaii, and which could not have been fooled by claims of birth at home because in such cases it requires witness statements.
Re: "Ann Dunham was present and enrolled at the University of Washington TWO WEEKS after Obama's alleged birth date."
So?
Re: "He could have been born just across the border in Canada..."
So there would be a hospital in Canada with a birth record for Obama, which no one has found, and the Canadian government would have to be part of a conspiracy to hide that fact--along with the officials in Hawaii.
Re: "and then Granny Dunham registered his birth with the state of Hawaii, thus automatically generating the newspaper announcement."
This would not have worked because the Hawaii government insisted on proof, witness statements, whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital.
I have this from the PUMA Lori Starfelt, who tried to prove that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii, and found the contrary.
“In 1961, the hospitals would take their new birth certificates to Vital Records. At the end of the week, Vital Records would post a sheet that for the newspaper to pick up that contained births, deaths, marriages and divorces. The Advertiser routinely printed this information in their Sunday edition. This is not a paid announcement that his grandmother could arrange. This is information that comes from Vital Records – we know this because this particular section reflects those records. They didn’t have a provision for paid, one sentence announcement that would be included in the Vital Records. At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife. Of course, they can apply later but that would noted as a different kind of birth certificate. I think TD has already addressed that. This information was received by Vital Records the first week of his birth = that suggests the hospital.”
Let me repeat: “At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife.”
What made you think that a person could just waltz in to a Hawaii DOH office and claim that a child was born in Hawaii and get a Hawaii birth certificate with a Hawaii place of birth on it without any proof?
"What made you think that a person could just waltz in to a Hawaii DOH office and claim that a child was born in Hawaii and get a Hawaii birth certificate with a Hawaii place of birth on it without any proof?"
Yeah, it's just crazy to think someone could do that, isn't it Anon?
Except Sun Yat Sen, born in GUANGDONG CHINA, was also able to pull it off.
Amazing stuff huh?
Next question?
(Oh, and your comment shows you didn't read Ann Barhardt's analysis at all, did you? Go to her site and check...
She's got your questions covered there.
Gosh, GB, to my MS trained eye, those two certificates sure look identical to me. I don't see what all the fuss is about, it's plain that Barry was born on US soil ...
/sarcasm
At that time, it wasn't hard to get a BC from Hawaii. People from the Pacific islands were doing it all the time.
The grand parents were powerful people and anything could have been done.
What three Republicans are you talking about? Lingle said, she was told there was a BC.
I think she acted in good faith and to keep things civil.
Where is your proof of a hospital in Canada involved?
There was also the story his grandmother in Kenya told about them spending time at the beach and Stanley going into labor there.
Plenty of info coming in.
Too much from too many places to just ignore it all.
When you spend that much to hide everything about your past, is very suspect.
Re: "Except Sun Yat Sen, born in GUANGDONG CHINA, was also able to pull it off."
And guess what: That was done in 1904, more than 50 years before Obama was born. A lot can happen in 50 years.
AND, it was done for political reasons, not because Sun Yat Sen or his parents were able to convince the officials that Sun Yat Sen was really born in Hawaii.
In 1961 Obama was an unknown child. Neither his parents nor his grandparents could have waltzed into a DOH office and claimed that he was born at home and received a Hawaii birth certificate that said "born in Honolulu" on it.
The evidence is, as the PUMA Lori Starfeld said:
I have this from the PUMA Lori Starfelt, who tried to prove that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii, and found the contrary.
“In 1961, the hospitals would take their new birth certificates to Vital Records. At the end of the week, Vital Records would post a sheet that for the newspaper to pick up that contained births, deaths, marriages and divorces. The Advertiser routinely printed this information in their Sunday edition. This is not a paid announcement that his grandmother could arrange. This is information that comes from Vital Records – we know this because this particular section reflects those records. They didn’t have a provision for paid, one sentence announcement that would be included in the Vital Records. At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife. Of course, they can apply later but that would noted as a different kind of birth certificate. I think TD has already addressed that. This information was received by Vital Records the first week of his birth = that suggests the hospital.”
Let me repeat: “At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife.”
What made you think that a person could just waltz in to a Hawaii DOH office and claim that a child was born in Hawaii and get a Hawaii birth certificate with a Hawaii place of birth on it without any proof?
Wow, Anon.
Have you ever heard the term "Occam's razor"?
Jeesh.
Re: "Have you ever heard the term "Occam's razor"?
Yes, it holds that the simplest explanation is usually correct. So, when there is an official birth certificate of a state, Hawaii, and three officials of the competing political party confirm the facts on it;
and there were notices in the Hawaii newspapers, and there is evidence that the officials in Hawaii demanded proof before issuing birth certificates that had an Hawaiian place of birth on it;
and there is this witness, who recalls being told of Obama's birth in 1961 and writing home about the unusual event of a child being born to a woman named Stanley to her father (also named Stanley) (
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece)
And the Kenyan grandmother said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii (
http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/world/chi-0703270151mar27-archive,0,2145571.story?page=4)
And there is no evidence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961 (such as a US visa on a foreign passport or the change of his mother's passport to include him), which if he were born in Kenya or any other country, he would have to have.
Then it is highly likely that he was born in Hawaii.
Okay Anon, answer me this:
Is Barack Obama Sr. listed as his father on the B.C.?
Re: "Is Barack Obama Sr. listed as his father on the B.C.?"
Of course. It is listed on the official birth certificate, the one that Obama has shown. And it is also listed on the original birth certificate, the one that is in the files and that Hawaii does not give out anymore to anyone.
How do I know that the name of Obama's father is exactly the same on both documents? Because the facts on the official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, were all copied from the facts on the document in the files by the clerk who filled in the computer form that generated the new, short-form, laser-printed (which is what it is supposed to be), official birth certificate.
And according to the first of the confirmations by the officials, there is an OFFICIAL birth certificate in the file.
That is how short-form birth certificates work, the clerk fills in the form from the facts in the file. So Obama's father's name is the same, his mother's name is the same, his race is listed as African (which is because Hawaii allows people to list their race anyway that they want), and most importantly, he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. THREE Republican officials have repeatedly confirmed that fact.
So Anon, by your admission, the long form birth certificate means nothing because Barack Obama is not a "Natural Born Citizen", and is therefore ineligible for the office of POTUS, correct?
Thank you.
Graybeard said: "So Anon, by your admission, the long form birth certificate means nothing because Barack Obama is not a "Natural Born Citizen", and is therefore ineligible for the office of POTUS, correct?"
Who told you that the citizenship of a parent or even two parents has any effect on the Natural Born Citizen status of a person born in the USA? It doesn't.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Read my link, Anon.
There is a reason the Founding Fathers used the term "Natural Born Citizen" and not just citizen. Even the most boneheaded of folks would agree.
He is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.
Heck, we may find the reason he's using a phony Social Security account is because he's not even a citizen!
All will be well by next election...
Several States are demanding the showing of the "Long-form birth certificate" in order to be listed on the ballot.
Pop the popcorn.
And there you go, sir,
Letting TRUTH and FACTS get in the way of a good argument AGAINST.
Go straight to Hell.
Do not pass GO.
Do not collect ANY amount of dollars.
BZ
Re: "Several States are demanding the showing of the "Long-form birth certificate" in order to be listed on the ballot."
This is in violation of the US Constitution's Full Faith and Credit clause in which every state must accept the official documents of all other states, and the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.
A Natural Born Citizen is NOT just a citizen. Some citizens are naturalized citizens. All US citizens who were not naturalized are Natural Born Citizens. The meaning of Natural Born when the Constitution was written referred to citizenship due to the PLACE of birth. It never referred to the parents.
"All US citizens who were not naturalized are Natural Born Citizens."
That, sir or madam, is hogwash.
Again, read my link, or do some study on your own.
Here are some lawsuits in which the US-born children of foreigners, even illegal immigrants, are described by the court as Natural Born Citizens:
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):
“Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):
“Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”
Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):
“The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”
This is the US Supreme Court, in the key Wong Kim Ark case describing EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats, as Natural Born:
"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."
Continued:
This makes clear that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the place of birth, not the parents, which is what Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan's Attorney General, also concluded:
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
A search of the writings of John Adams, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and other leaders at the time shows that none of them, not even John Jay, ever used the phrase Natural Born to refer to the parents. It only was used to describe citizenship due to the PLACE of birth.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. ...St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
"Persons, eligible for the Office of the President of the United States (POTUS), NEVER have first generation ties to a foreign nation, whereas ineligible persons always do. ALL statutory citizens are born with a tie to another nation by birthplace and/or blood, but NEVER is that the case with natural born citizens who have only American ties."
Beckwith, 2011
Re: "Persons, eligible for the Office of the President of the United States (POTUS), NEVER have first generation ties to a foreign nation, whereas ineligible persons always do. ALL statutory citizens are born with a tie to another nation by birthplace and/or blood, but NEVER is that the case with natural born citizens who have only American ties."
Who is Beckwith?
What makes Beckwith an authority?
"Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Beckwith is a constitutional scholar.
He is an authority because, like those you've quoted and like our President(?), he's very very VERY SMART.
Look Anon, I don't normally publish Anonymous comments. I've made an exception in your case so others can see what we're up against here...
"The Constitution is a 'living' document and can be changed as we need it to be changed".
But we have had the interesting experience here at "Pitchpull" of being lectured to by a couple 20-somethings during the last election, and those kids sure look like complete fools in light of the last two years...
An "economic experiment", indeed!
So if you want me to publish your comments henceforth, please give us a name that we can point to and laugh about two years from now.
Thanks.
Anonymous said...
Re: "Have you ever heard the term "Occam's razor"?
Yes, it holds that the simplest explanation is usually correct.
Right. Simplest is usually correct.
I want to apply for anything, I have to prove my citizenship, so I show my birth certificate. Not a COLB, but a birth certificate.
IF BHO has a birth certificate, he could shut us all up and not spend hundreds of millions of dollars by simply - showing it. Not the COLB forgery, but his actual birth certificate.
He cannot, therefore he does not have one, therefore he is not a citizen. Can't get much more simple than that.
p.s. - "African" is not a race. It is a nationality.
"Negroid" is a race. "Caucasian" is a race.
There is a Hawaiian law that children born outside the state and/or country can obtain a Hawaiian BC.
If you look on the bottom left BC form they are showing, the one without the seal, you can see where the form was revised 11/01.
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